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		<title>By: Clare Krishan</title>
		<link>http://maryvictrix.com/2010/07/02/that-for-which-we-fight/#comment-5136</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One must beware in other words of a gendered Fiore&#039;ism, no? 
No son born of woman will ever excel John the Baptist - he who revealed/foretold the Jordan baptism/burial famed in the Eastern icons, and evoked in the blue-white lozenge shapes of Wittelsbach heraldry symbolism (blue=Neopolimaya Kupina white= Anastasis) famed in BMW automobiles and their British mini vassals and certain claimants to the throne of Mary&#039;s Dowry; that treasury impervious to moth or rust... ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One must beware in other words of a gendered Fiore&#8217;ism, no?<br />
No son born of woman will ever excel John the Baptist &#8211; he who revealed/foretold the Jordan baptism/burial famed in the Eastern icons, and evoked in the blue-white lozenge shapes of Wittelsbach heraldry symbolism (blue=Neopolimaya Kupina white= Anastasis) famed in BMW automobiles and their British mini vassals and certain claimants to the throne of Mary&#8217;s Dowry; that treasury impervious to moth or rust&#8230; <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Clare Krishan</title>
		<link>http://maryvictrix.com/2010/07/02/that-for-which-we-fight/#comment-5135</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[or expressed perhaps more reverentially, the sigillum Salomonis of the Mystery of the Incarnation 
http://www.retoricabiblicaesemitica.org/nodo_en.html
the symmetrical complementarity and lyrical beauty of the Hebrew poetical form revealing Divine Wisdom in all its ineffable profundity...
God Bless Father. I hope I&#039;m not being a nuisance, but rather pliantly offer my contribution as an idle curiosity, a spiritual sudoku puzzle for your entertainment in the trenches of the Church Militant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or expressed perhaps more reverentially, the sigillum Salomonis of the Mystery of the Incarnation<br />
<a href="http://www.retoricabiblicaesemitica.org/nodo_en.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.retoricabiblicaesemitica.org/nodo_en.html</a><br />
the symmetrical complementarity and lyrical beauty of the Hebrew poetical form revealing Divine Wisdom in all its ineffable profundity&#8230;<br />
God Bless Father. I hope I&#8217;m not being a nuisance, but rather pliantly offer my contribution as an idle curiosity, a spiritual sudoku puzzle for your entertainment in the trenches of the Church Militant.</p>
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		<title>By: Clare Krishan</title>
		<link>http://maryvictrix.com/2010/07/02/that-for-which-we-fight/#comment-5134</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clare Krishan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a fan of the simple piety of the medieval St. Anna Selbdrit form (her hand relic is a fascinating thing culturally-speaking all by itself) but see that it can be misinterpreted along the lines of an Agreda-like Matriarchy-Mediatrix-idolatry of the female fecundity aspects of the mystery, no? Salic secular law has a certain ethic all its own, that mimics Islam too closely for my tastes. The corruption of motherhood into the monarch-mater-monstrosities of European dynastic hegemony that led to such impotent inbred regal eunuchs as the Hapsburgs is NOT the narrative I&#039;d like to see our post-Vatican II Church use to prosecute the culture wars... Benedict must be sensitive to this perspective, his patronymic &#039;Ratzinger&#039; being a Latin transliteration of the austro-glagolithic Rodziny (think Radix Jesse) as in Sw. Rodziny = Holy Family headed by Joseph of the line of David, as distinct from the Anne-Mary-Jesus Heilige Sippe (or Holy Kinship) antiseptically severed from the Semitic roots of our brothers and sisters in Faith (perverse as it is, since Hebrew identity is secured in the Matriarchal line... even as maternal mitochondrial DNA reveals zilch about agnatic kinship, for that you need the masculine body fluids)   

The faithful are all regenerated &quot;cognati&#039; in filial relation to phenomenological personalism of &quot;knowing&quot; Christ - a freely given gift experienced in the piercing contrition of our restless  heart&#039;s desire spent unrequited in futile, nay sterile, earthly pastimes. But we are born &quot;agnati&quot; - capable of consciousness of our filial descent... what separates the two is the Gordian knot of Human Salvation history...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a fan of the simple piety of the medieval St. Anna Selbdrit form (her hand relic is a fascinating thing culturally-speaking all by itself) but see that it can be misinterpreted along the lines of an Agreda-like Matriarchy-Mediatrix-idolatry of the female fecundity aspects of the mystery, no? Salic secular law has a certain ethic all its own, that mimics Islam too closely for my tastes. The corruption of motherhood into the monarch-mater-monstrosities of European dynastic hegemony that led to such impotent inbred regal eunuchs as the Hapsburgs is NOT the narrative I&#8217;d like to see our post-Vatican II Church use to prosecute the culture wars&#8230; Benedict must be sensitive to this perspective, his patronymic &#8216;Ratzinger&#8217; being a Latin transliteration of the austro-glagolithic Rodziny (think Radix Jesse) as in Sw. Rodziny = Holy Family headed by Joseph of the line of David, as distinct from the Anne-Mary-Jesus Heilige Sippe (or Holy Kinship) antiseptically severed from the Semitic roots of our brothers and sisters in Faith (perverse as it is, since Hebrew identity is secured in the Matriarchal line&#8230; even as maternal mitochondrial DNA reveals zilch about agnatic kinship, for that you need the masculine body fluids)   </p>
<p>The faithful are all regenerated &#8220;cognati&#8217; in filial relation to phenomenological personalism of &#8220;knowing&#8221; Christ &#8211; a freely given gift experienced in the piercing contrition of our restless  heart&#8217;s desire spent unrequited in futile, nay sterile, earthly pastimes. But we are born &#8220;agnati&#8221; &#8211; capable of consciousness of our filial descent&#8230; what separates the two is the Gordian knot of Human Salvation history&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Clare Krishan</title>
		<link>http://maryvictrix.com/2010/07/02/that-for-which-we-fight/#comment-5133</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clare Krishan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 03:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Father, I&#039;m not a theological expert of the rank of yourself or Dawn, and I may be going all Nestorian(*) on you both here, but &quot;begotten not made&quot; is the credal expression for the mystery of the Incarnation at the Annunciation, correct? Génitum, non factum, the event &quot;became incarnate of&quot; in Greek σαρκωθέντα [sarkothynta]  and &quot;made man&quot; ἐνανθρωπήσαντα [inanthropesanta]

This taking flesh in human form (ie the anthropology of the JPII catechesis hinges on an adequate anthropology) cannot be comprehended as an operation antecedent in time, like a the biological process termed &quot;conception&quot; that Mary&#039;s parents were privy to in Palestine of the last century BEFORE the Year of our Lord, reduced to the mechanics of the nuptial embrace, for sure, since He is antecedent to all time, he exists outside time, but the begetting part, the mothering is not possible without the anthropology of the communio personarum, the female body is a sign all by itself (even one as vulnerable as Terri Schiavo for example, she menstruated to the bitter and horrendously insufferable  end) as dramatically presented in the play &quot;Radiation of Fatherhood&quot; 
http://www.catholicculture.com/Radiation_of_Fatherhood.pdf


So I wouldn&#039;t say Jesus and Mary were begotten by the same means in the same breath -that doesn&#039;t sound right... they&#039;re not the same mystery - Mary was once not embodied, but she was a thought in the Mind of God foreseen from eternity, and then she became embodied complete with the egg cells (sarx, flesh) necessary to implant inside her womb when the moment came for one of them to be made incarnate (ie a separate genetic and complementarilly-gendered identity or body, ie XY not XX), and she will receive her XX-gendered body at the Resurrection right, while Christ&#039;s XY-gendered body never truely left us as Emmanuel, the Mystery of his presence in the Host we receive at Mass we are taught is NOT a reenactment, but one and the same sacrifice, right?  

But I would say with the Catholic feminists like Mary Shivanandam 
http://www.christendom-awake.org/pages/mshivana/marriage-icon.htm
that every woman is a sign - she may be a stained sign, but that&#039;s still better than not extant at all (see reference to Terry Schiavo earlier) as the Thinking Housewife and you yourself seem to imply... The XX seat of the filial relationship to fatherhood is key... part of God&#039;s plan... ineffable perhaps but not to be rejected outright... the Church is modelled on this sign afterall, how can we discount that?  Sir Gawain may have fallen for the lady with the green girdle, but he still venerated her as a lady, right? He saw her fruitfulness, as we see the five point symmetry inside an apple core, but he overlooked what she was pointing to, he forgot the meaning of the five points:
&lt;i&gt;No matter where he moved in melee or in battle
it was his fervent thought through thick or thin
that when he fought his courage came from the five joys
the high Queen of Heaven had of her child.
(And so the noble knight would never wear his shield
till her image had been painted on the inner half;
for when he saw her face his courage never failed.)

http://alliteration.net/gawain2.htm
or
http://www.yorku.ca/inpar/sggk_replica.pdf
for those who like the original texts!

(*) and look how long that sad misunderstanding took to sort out, he who breathed air in his Eastern and his Western lung reconciled the small remnant left in Syria just in time for our Martial Arts Dept to nearly wipe &#039;em out again... JPII warned us about that too but a fat lot of good it did us... we weren&#039;t thinking like  

GOD BLESS I have to get going otherwise I&#039;ll become aschenputtl in a flash (I don&#039;t blog after midnight)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Father, I&#8217;m not a theological expert of the rank of yourself or Dawn, and I may be going all Nestorian(*) on you both here, but &#8220;begotten not made&#8221; is the credal expression for the mystery of the Incarnation at the Annunciation, correct? Génitum, non factum, the event &#8220;became incarnate of&#8221; in Greek σαρκωθέντα [sarkothynta]  and &#8220;made man&#8221; ἐνανθρωπήσαντα [inanthropesanta]</p>
<p>This taking flesh in human form (ie the anthropology of the JPII catechesis hinges on an adequate anthropology) cannot be comprehended as an operation antecedent in time, like a the biological process termed &#8220;conception&#8221; that Mary&#8217;s parents were privy to in Palestine of the last century BEFORE the Year of our Lord, reduced to the mechanics of the nuptial embrace, for sure, since He is antecedent to all time, he exists outside time, but the begetting part, the mothering is not possible without the anthropology of the communio personarum, the female body is a sign all by itself (even one as vulnerable as Terri Schiavo for example, she menstruated to the bitter and horrendously insufferable  end) as dramatically presented in the play &#8220;Radiation of Fatherhood&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.catholicculture.com/Radiation_of_Fatherhood.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.catholicculture.com/Radiation_of_Fatherhood.pdf</a></p>
<p>So I wouldn&#8217;t say Jesus and Mary were begotten by the same means in the same breath -that doesn&#8217;t sound right&#8230; they&#8217;re not the same mystery &#8211; Mary was once not embodied, but she was a thought in the Mind of God foreseen from eternity, and then she became embodied complete with the egg cells (sarx, flesh) necessary to implant inside her womb when the moment came for one of them to be made incarnate (ie a separate genetic and complementarilly-gendered identity or body, ie XY not XX), and she will receive her XX-gendered body at the Resurrection right, while Christ&#8217;s XY-gendered body never truely left us as Emmanuel, the Mystery of his presence in the Host we receive at Mass we are taught is NOT a reenactment, but one and the same sacrifice, right?  </p>
<p>But I would say with the Catholic feminists like Mary Shivanandam<br />
<a href="http://www.christendom-awake.org/pages/mshivana/marriage-icon.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.christendom-awake.org/pages/mshivana/marriage-icon.htm</a><br />
that every woman is a sign &#8211; she may be a stained sign, but that&#8217;s still better than not extant at all (see reference to Terry Schiavo earlier) as the Thinking Housewife and you yourself seem to imply&#8230; The XX seat of the filial relationship to fatherhood is key&#8230; part of God&#8217;s plan&#8230; ineffable perhaps but not to be rejected outright&#8230; the Church is modelled on this sign afterall, how can we discount that?  Sir Gawain may have fallen for the lady with the green girdle, but he still venerated her as a lady, right? He saw her fruitfulness, as we see the five point symmetry inside an apple core, but he overlooked what she was pointing to, he forgot the meaning of the five points:<br />
<i>No matter where he moved in melee or in battle<br />
it was his fervent thought through thick or thin<br />
that when he fought his courage came from the five joys<br />
the high Queen of Heaven had of her child.<br />
(And so the noble knight would never wear his shield<br />
till her image had been painted on the inner half;<br />
for when he saw her face his courage never failed.)</p>
<p><a href="http://alliteration.net/gawain2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://alliteration.net/gawain2.htm</a><br />
or<br />
<a href="http://www.yorku.ca/inpar/sggk_replica.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.yorku.ca/inpar/sggk_replica.pdf</a><br />
for those who like the original texts!</p>
<p>(*) and look how long that sad misunderstanding took to sort out, he who breathed air in his Eastern and his Western lung reconciled the small remnant left in Syria just in time for our Martial Arts Dept to nearly wipe &#8216;em out again&#8230; JPII warned us about that too but a fat lot of good it did us&#8230; we weren&#8217;t thinking like  </p>
<p>GOD BLESS I have to get going otherwise I&#8217;ll become aschenputtl in a flash (I don&#8217;t blog after midnight)</i></p>
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		<title>By: Compendium of TOB Posts &#171; Mary Victrix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Compendium of TOB Posts &#171; Mary Victrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] That for Which We Fight (July 2, 2001):  A commentary on two opposing views of feminism with a special reference to Theology of the Body and a recommendation for a balanced approach.  Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)On PatrolChristopher West Takes SabbaticalCardinal and Bishop Support Christopher West [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That for Which We Fight (July 2, 2001):  A commentary on two opposing views of feminism with a special reference to Theology of the Body and a recommendation for a balanced approach.  Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)On PatrolChristopher West Takes SabbaticalCardinal and Bishop Support Christopher West [...]</p>
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		<title>By: terry Nelson</title>
		<link>http://maryvictrix.com/2010/07/02/that-for-which-we-fight/#comment-4956</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 15:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another excellent post Father.  Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another excellent post Father.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://maryvictrix.com/2010/07/02/that-for-which-we-fight/#comment-4955</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 06:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.</p>
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